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	<title>Comments on: Graham Greene and the Sinner&#8217;s Prayer</title>
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		<title>By: Tough Questions 2008: Can We Live Like the Devil and Go To Heaven? &#171; MER Christianity</title>
		<link>http://tritonelife.com/2008/05/15/graham-greene-and-the-sinners-prayer/#comment-212</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tough Questions 2008: Can We Live Like the Devil and Go To Heaven? &#171; MER Christianity]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 04:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] I concluded that the Christian life was founded on something larger than one prayer. (More thoughts here.) [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: J. R. Miller</title>
		<link>http://tritonelife.com/2008/05/15/graham-greene-and-the-sinners-prayer/#comment-123</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J. R. Miller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 18:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Glad you found it of value.  Thanks also for your thoughts on water baptism vs. altar call.  I like your analogy to natural birth vs. C-section!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you found it of value.  Thanks also for your thoughts on water baptism vs. altar call.  I like your analogy to natural birth vs. C-section!</p>
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		<title>By: mraley</title>
		<link>http://tritonelife.com/2008/05/15/graham-greene-and-the-sinners-prayer/#comment-122</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 17:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joe,

Your question makes a lot of sense! I think our overemphasis of the altar call has eclipsed water baptism, which is how Christ commanded us to define our change of identity. We are called to declare ourselves for Christ, and conversion is not, as I may have implied, an endless morph.

Your note about Finney is absolutely right. I would date the merging of populism and evangelicalism from his ministry, actually. His emphasis on spectacular displays, which you bring out so well in your series, was the start of a deeply manipulative view of conversion. Evangelists went from delivering babies at the end of a process to performing Caesarians at will.

Thanks for the link to your series!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,</p>
<p>Your question makes a lot of sense! I think our overemphasis of the altar call has eclipsed water baptism, which is how Christ commanded us to define our change of identity. We are called to declare ourselves for Christ, and conversion is not, as I may have implied, an endless morph.</p>
<p>Your note about Finney is absolutely right. I would date the merging of populism and evangelicalism from his ministry, actually. His emphasis on spectacular displays, which you bring out so well in your series, was the start of a deeply manipulative view of conversion. Evangelists went from delivering babies at the end of a process to performing Caesarians at will.</p>
<p>Thanks for the link to your series!</p>
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		<title>By: J. R. Miller</title>
		<link>http://tritonelife.com/2008/05/15/graham-greene-and-the-sinners-prayer/#comment-115</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 05:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The roots for our practice of these &quot;steps&quot;, which includes the altar call, can be traced back to Charles Finney.  He did not create the concept, but did package it in such a way to become the father of modern evangelism.  Ultimately, his flawed theology led to some of his misleading practices that we are just now trying to overcome (you can read more in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.morethancake.org/2007/09/church-in-crisis-part-5.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Part 5 of my series on The Church in Crisis&lt;/a&gt;.

I do have one question for you though. I agree with so much of what you are saying, but even after a long journey the prodigal son did come home.  So as a pastor I am also confronted with the idea that we use water baptism as a sign of our immersion/salvation through the Holy Spirit.  So if we shift to only a process model, with no definable &quot;moments&quot;, do we lose the biblical essence of salvation and the purpose of water baptism?

I hope that makes sense...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The roots for our practice of these &#8220;steps&#8221;, which includes the altar call, can be traced back to Charles Finney.  He did not create the concept, but did package it in such a way to become the father of modern evangelism.  Ultimately, his flawed theology led to some of his misleading practices that we are just now trying to overcome (you can read more in <a href="http://www.morethancake.org/2007/09/church-in-crisis-part-5.html" rel="nofollow">Part 5 of my series on The Church in Crisis</a>.</p>
<p>I do have one question for you though. I agree with so much of what you are saying, but even after a long journey the prodigal son did come home.  So as a pastor I am also confronted with the idea that we use water baptism as a sign of our immersion/salvation through the Holy Spirit.  So if we shift to only a process model, with no definable &#8220;moments&#8221;, do we lose the biblical essence of salvation and the purpose of water baptism?</p>
<p>I hope that makes sense&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: iwka</title>
		<link>http://tritonelife.com/2008/05/15/graham-greene-and-the-sinners-prayer/#comment-114</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 05:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very true. I know probably few of those, who &quot;went forward, repeated-after-me, received Jesus&quot; people and that was their real conversion moment. But I know thousands, who were pursued by God for some time, before they even realized, that they were on a journey to His arms. 

Thanks for posting it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very true. I know probably few of those, who &#8220;went forward, repeated-after-me, received Jesus&#8221; people and that was their real conversion moment. But I know thousands, who were pursued by God for some time, before they even realized, that they were on a journey to His arms. </p>
<p>Thanks for posting it.</p>
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